bonthomas
Posts:354
 | | 03/11/2010 1:13 PM |
 Alert | With everything else being said, I voted for the override, my husband voted for the override, and it lost. We have always supported MUSD but yesterday, we enrolled our daughter in Mountain Pointe for next year. I wanted to give MHS the benefit of the doubt and hoped for the best. But now that I believe things will not get better, I am not willing to risk her education. My son, who will be a Senior next year, will still attend MHS. He is dead set against leaving MHS. It's ok, he is a good student and planning on going to College. Do I think he received a "bad" education from MHS? No. Could he have received a "better" one somewhere else? Maybe (most likely). Fact is, I'm not willing to leave my daughter there on the "off chance" that they manage to squeak through. (and Mountain Pointe has such an extensive course selection compared to Maricopa) P.S. - Although I understand and appreciate his honesty, Moin's comments in another thread about how it's not his job as a teacher, to educate my children really got me thinking. Hope all the teachers at MHS don't feel this way. Just my opinion. | |
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/11/2010 2:49 PM |
Alert | As a police officer, is it not their job to police?
As a fire fighter, is it not their job to put out fires?
As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again???? | |
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cholo bandito
Posts:3563
| | 03/11/2010 4:54 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/11/2010 2:49 PM As a police officer, is it not their job to police?
As a fire fighter, is it not their job to put out fires?
As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again????
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moinmoin
Posts:1160
| | 03/11/2010 8:26 PM |
Alert | | bonthomas: Although I understand and appreciate his honesty, Moin's comments in another thread about how it's not his job as a teacher, to educate my children really got me thinking. Hope all the teachers at MHS don't feel this way.
JasonY: As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again????
These are both grossly misrepresentative of what I said. I never said that it's not a teacher's job to teach. Of course it is; nobody would argue otherwise. What I rejected was the notion that bad student outcomes necessarily denote that teachers didn't teach or that they taught poorly. | | | |
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 7:44 AM |
Alert | Posted By moinmoin on 03/11/2010 8:26 PM
bonthomas: Although I understand and appreciate his honesty, Moin's comments in another thread about how it's not his job as a teacher, to educate my children really got me thinking. Hope all the teachers at MHS don't feel this way.
JasonY: As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again????
These are both grossly misrepresentative of what I said. I never said that it's not a teacher's job to teach. Of course it is; nobody would argue otherwise. What I rejected was the notion that bad student outcomes necessarily denote that teachers didn't teach or that they taught poorly.
Agreed. A bad student could be the result of the parent, the teacher, the student themself, or any combination of the three. But I never heard a teacher take responsibility for a bad student, only the good ones. "Oh that was my student!" "Oh, that one. He has bad parents. Not my fault."
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cholo bandito
Posts:3563
| | 03/12/2010 7:56 AM |
Alert | Parents have a lot more influence on thier child than a teacher with 160 students. For a parent to point at the schools and say "it's their fault" is disengenuous, at best. | | | |
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Duke Nukem
Posts:210
| | 03/12/2010 8:02 AM |
Alert | Disengenuous isn't the word I would use, it's more like irresponsibile. It's those same parents that don't do much with their kids that always point the finger at the teacher or school.
There are bad teachers in every school district, some that shouldn't be teaching but they are in the minority. | | | |
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Ebay1
Posts:1369
| | 03/12/2010 8:07 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 7:44 AM Posted By moinmoin on 03/11/2010 8:26 PM
bonthomas: Although I understand and appreciate his honesty, Moin's comments in another thread about how it's not his job as a teacher, to educate my children really got me thinking. Hope all the teachers at MHS don't feel this way.
JasonY: As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again????
These are both grossly misrepresentative of what I said. I never said that it's not a teacher's job to teach. Of course it is; nobody would argue otherwise. What I rejected was the notion that bad student outcomes necessarily denote that teachers didn't teach or that they taught poorly.
Agreed. A bad student could be the result of the parent, the teacher, the student themself, or any combination of the three. But I never heard a teacher take responsibility for a bad student, only the good ones. "Oh that was my student!" "Oh, that one. He has bad parents. Not my fault."
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 8:07 AM |
Alert | So good parents should home school if the teachers are bad..........and bad parents should let good teachers teach their kids..........
But if a kid just doesn't want to learn then what are ya gonna do? What if your kid is great but the rest of the students are not up to par? | |
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 8:09 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 8:07 AM Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 7:44 AM Posted By moinmoin on 03/11/2010 8:26 PM
bonthomas: Although I understand and appreciate his honesty, Moin's comments in another thread about how it's not his job as a teacher, to educate my children really got me thinking. Hope all the teachers at MHS don't feel this way.
JasonY: As a teacher, is it not their job to teach?
If teachers aren't there to teach, then what are kids (and teachers for that matter) doing in school again????
These are both grossly misrepresentative of what I said. I never said that it's not a teacher's job to teach. Of course it is; nobody would argue otherwise. What I rejected was the notion that bad student outcomes necessarily denote that teachers didn't teach or that they taught poorly.
Agreed. A bad student could be the result of the parent, the teacher, the student themself, or any combination of the three. But I never heard a teacher take responsibility for a bad student, only the good ones. "Oh that was my student!" "Oh, that one. He has bad parents. Not my fault."
Jason do you even have kids? I volunteer at 2 of the elementary schools here and I've seen a few teachers that have taken the time to tutor some of the troubled kids after class and during the teachers lunch break.
That's cool, those teachers should get a raise. Fire the crappy ones and split their pay among the good teachers. I am all for that.
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Ebay1
Posts:1369
| | 03/12/2010 8:11 AM |
Alert | Oh boy here we go with the home schooling again. Most kids will want to learn, even the troubled ones. If the teacher will take the time, to help some along the way. It's a win win for the student and teacher. If the kid is not interested and disrupts the class, it is more work for the teacher.
Jason do you have kids? | |
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 8:13 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 8:11 AM
Oh boy here we go with the home schooling again. Most kids will want to learn, even the troubled ones. If the teacher will take the time, to help some along the way. It's a win win for the student and teacher. If the kid is not interested and disrupts the class, it is more work for the teacher.
Jason do you have kids?
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Ebay1
Posts:1369
| | 03/12/2010 8:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 8:13 AM Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 8:11 AM
Oh boy here we go with the home schooling again. Most kids will want to learn, even the troubled ones. If the teacher will take the time, to help some along the way. It's a win win for the student and teacher. If the kid is not interested and disrupts the class, it is more work for the teacher.
Jason do you have kids?
Yes do you?
Yes but that isn't the question. Jason do you have kids? Pets do not count.
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cholo bandito
Posts:3563
| | 03/12/2010 8:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By Duke Nukem on 03/12/2010 8:02 AM
Disengenuous isn't the word I would use, it's more like irresponsibile. It's those same parents that don't do much with their kids that always point the finger at the teacher or school.
There are bad teachers in every school district, some that shouldn't be teaching but they are in the minority.
it was the word of the day on my word of the day calendar. 
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 9:07 AM |
Alert | | What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead? | |
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Ebay1
Posts:1369
| | 03/12/2010 9:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:07 AM
What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead?
Jason I guess not answering the question is better than lying. Kudos to you.
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 9:18 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 9:16 AM Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:07 AM
What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead?
Jason I guess not answering the question is better than lying. Kudos to you.
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Ebay1
Posts:1369
| | 03/12/2010 9:20 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:18 AM Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 9:16 AM Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:07 AM
What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead?
Jason I guess not answering the question is better than lying. Kudos to you.
So angry aren't you? You want to abduct my daughter or something? Go take your van somewhere else. Kudos to not staying on topic. Glad you aren't my kid's teacher.
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JasonY
Posts:9342
| | 03/12/2010 9:21 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 9:20 AM Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:18 AM Posted By Ebay1 on 03/12/2010 9:16 AM Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:07 AM
What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead?
Jason I guess not answering the question is better than lying. Kudos to you.
So angry aren't you? You want to abduct my daughter or something? Go take your van somewhere else. Kudos to not staying on topic. Glad you aren't my kid's teacher.
Keep hiding behind that screen name.......who's the fake person now? | |
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cholo bandito
Posts:3563
| | 03/12/2010 9:24 AM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 03/12/2010 9:07 AM
What's tomorrow's word? Or do you not look ahead?
And ruin the surprise? Never! | | | |
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